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Post by juergen on Feb 18, 2024 12:39:54 GMT
Hi, does anyone have any experience with Paintshop Pro 2021 64 Bit in combination with Windows11 and the Canon multifunctional device TS9550 when scanning? TS9550 does not come with a usable 64bit Twain driver, so I had previously (psp2019) used WIA (i.e. import from scanner...) - no problems so far. The 32bit psp2019 can also address the scanner via Twain. With psp2021, Paintshop Pro 64bit simply crashes reproducibly with a small dump when called up (WIA). After installing the latest Canon printer/scanner driver, Paintshop Pro 2021 only crashes when scanning is complete and the data arrives ;-/ Anyway. Don't want to use 32bit psp2021. (1) Has anyone ever had the same problems (and solved them with WIA-Mode/import from scanner)? 32 bit is not an option. I think I'll just write a script that starts the Canon scan application and put a button for it in a toolbar - I think I can still manage that.
Unfortunately, you have to click around again in Canon's Scanutility to call up the scan interface.
(2) You start the Scanutility with
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Canon\IJ Scan Utility\SCANUTILITY.exe"
Unfortunately, you then have to click again to start "ScanGear" (the scan interface). I've had a look, but can't find a button or an extra programme or hint to start it directly - does anyone happen to know if this works (but it's only one more click, not so wild)?
scanutility -h -help /h /help shows nothing
I think I'll just use the Canon ScanGear programme from the taskbar in parallel and can then simply open the resulting files in psp2021, done... Not a big deal. thanxs & Best regards, Jürgen  |
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Post by juergen on Feb 18, 2024 12:44:11 GMT
Additional question - I was too lazy to try it out (script recording).
When scanning via the Canon software, the images are either transferred to PaintShop Pro (programme call with image file - but probably results in separate instances of psp) or I just have the scanned images (mostly more than one) written to a fixed directory.
Can this/a script move PaintShop Pro to a specific directory in the "Navigation" window in the editing view?
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Post by juergen on Mar 16, 2024 10:47:25 GMT
(Just for the sake of completeness - it's done, after the 2021 version had some other quirks and the AI stuff doesn't perform at all on my computer, I continue to use the 2019 version)
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Post by Ken Berry on Mar 16, 2024 19:34:44 GMT
This discussion of scanners reminded me that apart from my big color laser Brother multifunction printer/scanner which works happily with WIA in PSP 2023, and with TWAIN in the x86 version of PSP 2022 and earlier versions, I also have two much older Canon scanners. They are a Canon LiDE 25 which I bought in the very early '90s and a much larger Canoscan 5200F bought a few years later. I have always liked the LiDE 25 since it was plug and play and did not require a power source. It did its scans both easily and quickly, and the scanner itself only weighs a couple of hundred grams so is really transportable. But neither scanner worked very well after Windows 7, and not at all under Windows 11. I could get Canon's ScanGear in its last version to get the LiDE to work under Win 10, but as I say, it just wouldn't work under Win 11. So I effectively was deprived of the Canon scanners, though of course still have my Brother which does a wonderful job.
But just a few days ago I saw an ad on Facebook for a program called VueScan which claimed to work on just about any scanner no matter how old the scanner was. It has a trial version which ads a rather large watermark to the scanned image, and those watermarks cannot be removed. But I just wanted to try it. And indeed when I plugged in my old scanners and opened PSP 2023 I chose Import > TWAIN source and it immediately picked up VueScan, and using Acquire, that immediately connected to the old scanners and both preview and scanning worked just fine. So I immediately bought it! The problem there is that it is not particularly cheap -- around USD$55 (NZD$80). But certainly worth it if you want to get otherwise perfectly good scanners back into service...
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Post by juergen on Mar 17, 2024 10:27:46 GMT
Thanks, a good tip to remember!
I've played around a bit with the "Canon IJ Scan Utility" and now just use most of the time "ScanGear" with a few presets when I need or want to scan something. The images then appear automatically in Paintshop Pro and that's enough for me for now.
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Post by Ken Berry on Mar 17, 2024 17:26:21 GMT
I was not able to download the Canon IJ Scan Utility as my scanners were deemed too old and support discontinued. But I decided to reinstall ScanGear on my main computer (Running Windows 11). I know that the version I used on another Win 11 computer was numbered 4.X. But I found on Googling 'ScanGear' a UK Canon site offering a 32 bit version 2.71 last updated in 2021 and stating that "This TWAIN scan driver is a 32bit driver which can only be used with 32bit-compatible applications running on 64bit OS." But it included Windows 11 as an OS it would work under. So I installed that. And on opening the last PSP with a 32 bit version -- namely PSP 2022 -- I found that it immediately saw the LiDE 25 under TWAIN Source, and under TWAIN Acquire it gave both a preview and full scan even more quickly than VueScan. So it seems as though I might not have needed to spend my USD$55 after all! That download was at th.canon/en/support/0100175011 Needless to say, opening PSP 2023 which only comes as 64 bit, only VueScan could see the scanner... So VueScan would still be useful to people who don't have access to a 32 bit version of PSP. |
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Post by anonuser1023 on Mar 19, 2024 15:06:44 GMT
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Post by Ken Berry on Mar 19, 2024 17:20:55 GMT
Thanks for those links. I've just installed the Free edition of PaperScan. VueScan doesn't have a free version apart from its trial version, which as I have said heavily watermarks the output. I have yet to try out PaperScan but will report back when I do.
EDIT: I am having enormous difficulty getting it to work. First off my antivirus (McAfee) and/or Malwarebytes blocks the website. After proceeding nevertheless and downloading and installing, I set it (using Settings) to see the old scanner (Canoscan 5200F) and press Quick Scan, nothing happens at all, no crash, no message, nothing. So after a couple of minutes I kill it with Task Manager.
I will definitely need to have a closer look...
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Post by Ken Berry on Mar 19, 2024 20:27:50 GMT
I have done some further experimentation with PaperScan free version, but have found it somewhat difficult. Apart from the malware warnings in trying to download it, version 3 is installed, and immediately brings up an update notice for version 4 (which was apparently issued in 2022, so why isn't that version offered as the first download?) I chose to download and install the update. However, that brings up a new screen that offers to Modify, Repair or Remove version 3. I chose, separately, both Modify and Repair, but both only brought back version 3. So hoping that Remove would take away version 3 and install version 4, I chose that option. It removed version 3 all right, but nothing happened after that. I waited quite a while too, but nada. I then chose to use the download the update and install manually. But that just reinstalled version 3. So I accepted that and went through the screen offering the update again, which I ignored. The installed program, by the way, is 32 bit.
Then into the program itself. In Settings, PaperScan had no trouble seeing both my old LiDE 25 and Canoscan 5200F scanners and TWAIN was selected. But when I tried to go into device configuration, I received the message "This option is not supported by the selected device". I got that with both scanners. Then PaperScan froze and I had to kill it with Task Manager.
Open again, and I ignored Settings this time and went straight to Acquire. I first chose Quick Scan. That occurred without problem, but didn't offer a Preview or the ability to restrict scanning to the area of the item being scanned. But it worked quickly and well. The scanned image appears in the PaperScan screen and can be edited there. This includes an 'Area Selection Mode' which stands in for Preview and automatic selection of just the item scanned. I suppose the image would then be saved and could be opened in PSP for further editing if needed.
I also tried the Start Wizard option. Interestingly enough, this immediately opened my installed Canon ScanGear screen, and I went through the process there, with the scanned image again being opened in PaperScan once it was scanned. It is perhaps worth nothing that while the ScanGear page was open and the image opened from it within PaperScan, none of the PaperScan editing or other functions would work until ScanGear was closed.
Anyway, after this I figured I had tried enough. I never found a way to update PaperScan so have no idea what changes version 4 might have contained. Maybe that update is only available to the paid versions? As for that, the Home version is US$79 which is a good $24 or $25 more than the same option in VueScan. And the Pro version is $149 which is a good deal less than the VueScan Pro version.
So my basic conclusion is that PaperScan Free can be made to work with a bit of trouble. Updating might be a problem, but if you are just after something which will work and not cost anything yet still produce an editable image which can be opened some time for editing in PSP, though not automatically, then PaperScan could be a good choice.
Incidentally, neither PSP 2022 x32 nor PSP 2023 which is, of course, only 64 bit, can see PaperScan in TWAIN Source or for that matter in From Scanner or Camera. So from my point of view, even though I have spent money on it, VueScan is better for me since I can run it from within PSP and with none of the fiddly bits that PaperScan brings to the table...
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Post by anonuser1023 on Mar 21, 2024 17:29:31 GMT
Thank you Ken for trying it out.
I downloaded the free version and virustotal online scanner didn't find any issues.
Also scanned it with bit defender and it didn't flag it either, so I've no idea why McAfee gives a warning?
PS. I've added a note on my original post above to see your review of paperscan.
Thank you!
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Post by Ken Berry on Mar 21, 2024 20:15:58 GMT
Thanks anonuser1023. As a footnote, I finally found out what was going wrong when I tried to update the free version of PaperScan. Up in the top of the Orpalis page under the crest paperscan.orpalis.com/downloading/ , in small letters, is the statement "PaperScan 4.0 is Now Available for the Home and Pro editions". So it's not available for the free version. As I said in my review, however, I guess this doesn't really matter since version 3 allows a scan and to save the scan, even edit it, within PaperScan itself, which is a great step forward for some of us with old scanners. But that is outside the context of PSP, and it would then require the further step of opening the PaperScan image in PSP to allow further editing there if that was required. |
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